Rough Drafts Welcome

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The Rough Stuff

Join us for the grand premiere of 'The Rough Drafts Welcome' podcast, a Salt and Sage Books production!

In this inaugural episode, we explore 'The Power of Imperfection' and why 'Rough Drafts Welcome' matters more than ever in the world of creativity.

Discover the magic of embracing imperfections, self-acceptance, and the creative journey with our hosts, Erin and Sachiko.

Featuring insights from Ira Glass, they unravel the 'Talent and Taste Gap' and share the secrets of unblocking your creative flow with the 'Rubber Duck Method.'

Tune in and learn how to conquer your creative fears, celebrate your 'self-insert novel,' and transform your rough drafts into masterpieces!

Don't miss this inspirational episode that reminds you: It's okay to be a beginner, to stumble, and to grow.

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The Ira Glass quote in full:

“Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. Put yourself on a deadline so that every week you will finish one story. It is only by going through a volume of work that you will close that gap, and your work will be as good as your ambitions. And I took longer to figure out how to do this than anyone I’ve ever met. It’s gonna take awhile. It’s normal to take awhile. You’ve just gotta fight your way through.”